Comments on: Mind Crime http://www.dummies-for-destruction.co.uk/random/2009/09/mind-crime/ Dummies For Destruction - A drop of blood in a sea of piss Tue, 07 Feb 2012 10:46:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Gert http://www.dummies-for-destruction.co.uk/random/2009/09/mind-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-165327 Gert Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:54:09 +0000 http://www.dummies-for-destruction.co.uk/random/?p=6344#comment-165327 I think it's a well-established judicial principle. That's why we have offences such as conspiracy to murder and being an accomplice before or after the after the crime. I agree that we don't want a situation of locking people up merely for thinking, and I don't think in general that 'corresponding' should be a criminal act in itself. But it seems that each case has been judged on its merits. There's a part of me that thinks that no case should go to court unless it is guaranteed to get a guilty verdict. OTOH, there is merit in examining grey areas via judicial process. I think maybe the Bowling for Audenshaw case raises questions about the extent to which the Press should name names in ongoing trials whilst discharging their obligation to ensure that justice is transparent and thus accountable. I think it’s a well-established judicial principle. That’s why we have offences such as conspiracy to murder and being an accomplice before or after the after the crime.

I agree that we don’t want a situation of locking people up merely for thinking, and I don’t think in general that ‘corresponding’ should be a criminal act in itself.

But it seems that each case has been judged on its merits. There’s a part of me that thinks that no case should go to court unless it is guaranteed to get a guilty verdict. OTOH, there is merit in examining grey areas via judicial process.

I think maybe the Bowling for Audenshaw case raises questions about the extent to which the Press should name names in ongoing trials whilst discharging their obligation to ensure that justice is transparent and thus accountable.

]]> By: lyle http://www.dummies-for-destruction.co.uk/random/2009/09/mind-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-165254 lyle Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:44:01 +0000 http://www.dummies-for-destruction.co.uk/random/?p=6344#comment-165254 Sorry, I must've misremembered it as "MindCrime". As for being picky, no worries at all - I'd rather be corrected than wrong. :-) Sorry, I must’ve misremembered it as “MindCrime”.

As for being picky, no worries at all – I’d rather be corrected than wrong. :-)

]]> By: Lionel http://www.dummies-for-destruction.co.uk/random/2009/09/mind-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-165252 Lionel Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:00:18 +0000 http://www.dummies-for-destruction.co.uk/random/?p=6344#comment-165252 Loathe as I am to be picky but no, it isn't - Orwell's term was "thoughtcrime". While the collection of materials was the key in the plane bomb case, proving that the conspirators were serious, given the fact that many explosives can supposedly be made from household goods then surely most of the country could be argued to have already gathered the necessary materials to make a similar attack. Perhaps we should all surrender ourselves at our local police station to save the taxpayer the expense of an investigation. Loathe as I am to be picky but no, it isn’t – Orwell’s term was “thoughtcrime”. While the collection of materials was the key in the plane bomb case, proving that the conspirators were serious, given the fact that many explosives can supposedly be made from household goods then surely most of the country could be argued to have already gathered the necessary materials to make a similar attack. Perhaps we should all surrender ourselves at our local police station to save the taxpayer the expense of an investigation.

]]> By: Kennamatic http://www.dummies-for-destruction.co.uk/random/2009/09/mind-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-165251 Kennamatic Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:34:59 +0000 http://www.dummies-for-destruction.co.uk/random/?p=6344#comment-165251 But the only way round this though is surely to let the crime happen and then arrest them. If it was then discovered that the police/security forces knew about it in advance then all hell would be let loose. Not sure what the ideal answer is other than terrorists deciding not to bother anymore. But the only way round this though is surely to let the crime happen and then arrest them. If it was then discovered that the police/security forces knew about it in advance then all hell would be let loose. Not sure what the ideal answer is other than terrorists deciding not to bother anymore.

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